"You talked about how we've lost the concept of housing. With the Eindhoven center, it was because malls didn't fit the needs of citizens anymore. What can be done as parts of cities become no longer relevant or no longer useful? " "I think we need to work in some kind of place, if we have [the] historical town [centre], inner city, [and surrounding] suburbs, what I think is the most important right now is to work in this area (between them). To understand what has to be the area between the suburbs and the city."