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Re: [SFUFA] Closing the certification chapter



Martin, thanks for helping us all out with those numbers. Dai, I had no idea that the second time I had very slightly misquoted. As for misleading--I agree, a poor attempt. But as also pointed out below, lots of people weren't even paying enough attention to vote. So I don't agree that the attempt is innocuous. But applaud your acuity, re:spin. Let's have more of that. JD Fleming


From: "Martin Hahn" <mhahn@sfu.ca>
To: "Dai Heide" <dheide@sfu.ca>, "JD Fleming" <jfleming@sfu.ca>
Cc: "Brian Green" <brian_green@sfu.ca>, "sfufa forum" <academic-discussion@sfu.ca>, "Neil Abramson" <nabramso@sfu.ca>
Sent: Friday, 16 May, 2014 09:31:52
Subject: Re: [SFUFA] Closing the certification chapter

So... should we need the percentages and lack calculators.

We already know that, 73% percent of eligible voters cast ballots.

Of those who voted, 74% voted in favour (the reported 73% is a rounding error. The more accurate number is 73.75%)
26% voted against.

If we want the percentage of eligible sfufa voters who voted in favour, it is 54%.

This is a clear majority, though not as convincing, perhaps.  But it should also be remembered that only 19% of eligible voters cast a ballot against unionization.  Given that there was no "abstain" option we must assume that the vast majority of the 27% of us who did not vote either did not care about the issue enough, or cared about it so much that they were paralyzed by indecision.

But however each of us felt about the issue, the collective decision is crystal clear.  Would that our provincial or federal election results were anywhere as clear! 

So let's move on, as Dai says.

MH

On 16/05/2014 8:56 AM, Dai Heide wrote:
JD,

Where did Neil state that "73% of SFUFA members" voted for certification? The original email says "SFUFA members have voted 73% in favour of legal recognition." You're right that that's ambiguous: does it mean that 73% of voters voted in favour, or does it mean that 73% of members voted in favour? Thanks for pointing out the ambiguity. Fortunately, the ambiguity is innocuous, since the raw numbers were provided to the entire membership: surely no SFUFA member who read the numbers provided would have thought that the correct interpretation of Neil's claim is that 73% of all members voted in favour of certification. If this is an attempt to deceive the membership, a very poor job of it they have done. So, charitably, I'm going with the interpretation consistent with the rest of what's been said.

But in your last email, you have misquoted the original email in such a way as to render the claim unambiguous and obviously false. That's arguably worse than the (perhaps unintentional) ambiguity in the original email that has got you going on this issue. Frankly, it seems petty. Let's move on.


Dai Heide
Dept. of Philosophy
Simon Fraser University



On 2014-05-16, at 8:42 AM, JD Fleming <jfleming@sfu.ca> wrote:

So apparently you are standing by, as an accurate account of those results, Neil's statement that "73% of SFUFA members" voted for certification.

Calling that statement misleading is putting it mildly.

I look forward to its clarification, in a message to the full sfufa-members list. 

Very best wishes,
JD Fleming


From: "Brian Green" <brian_green@sfu.ca>
To: "JD Fleming" <jfleming@sfu.ca>
Cc: "sfufa forum" <academic-discussion@sfu.ca>, "Neil Abramson" <nabramso@sfu.ca>
Sent: Friday, 16 May, 2014 08:34:57
Subject: Re: [SFUFA] Closing the certification chapter

It was sent yesterday morning, right after the results were received.
If you missed it, here is the message that was sent yesterday morning.

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Dear members:

The following message is sent on behalf of SFUFA President Neil Abramson and SFU Vice President Academic Jon Driver.

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May 15, 2014

SFU Faculty and Librarians Approve Certification as a Union

Members of the Faculty Association of Simon Fraser University have voted to become a certified union under the BC Labour Relations Code.

The results of the certification vote are as follows (the results are unofficial until confirmed by the Labour Relations Board):

Eligible voters: 1091
Votes cast: 800
Percentage turnout: 73%

The question voted upon was: “Do you want the Faculty Association of Simon Fraser University (SFUFA) to be recognized as a certified union, under the Labour Relations Code, to represent you in collective bargaining with your employer, the University?”

Total ballots: 800
Spoiled ballots: 0
Valid ballots: 800
In favour: 590
Opposed: 210

As a result of the vote, the Administration and Faculty Association must now begin negotiation of the first collective agreement.

The University Administration and Faculty Association respect the choice made by faculty members and librarians regarding their preferred form of representation. Both the Administration and the Association are committed to maintaining the positive working relationship we have enjoyed.


Jonathan Driver
Vice-President, Academic, Simon Fraser University

Neil Abramson
President, Faculty Association of SFU


----- Original Message -----
From: "JD Fleming" <jfleming@sfu.ca>
To: "Brian Green" <brian_green@sfu.ca>
Cc: "sfufa forum" <academic-discussion@sfu.ca>, "Neil Abramson" <nabramso@sfu.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 8:31:40 AM
Subject: Re: [SFUFA] Closing the certification chapter



Well then, I guess we await that "main announcement of results," after you guys have had time to, like, crunch the numbers on the 590/1091. 


To everything there is a season; or rather, turn, turn, turn. 


jdf 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Brian Green" <brian_green@sfu.ca> 
To: "JD Fleming" <jfleming@sfu.ca> 
Cc: "sfufa forum" <academic-discussion@sfu.ca> 
Sent: Friday, 16 May, 2014 08:25:56 
Subject: Re: [SFUFA] Closing the certification chapter 

Hi JD. 

Yes, the vote is decided based on those who cast ballots. 
The original message announcing the votes provided the full details - number of votes case (800), percentage who participated (73.3), number in favour (590), number opposed (210), and percentage of voters who voted YES (73%). 

This last note was a short message to close the chapter, rather than the main announcement of results, hence the shortened report on the vote. We did try to make clear that the 73% referred to votes cast by including the statement that the number in favour constituted a majority even if non-voters are included in the count. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JD Fleming" <jfleming@sfu.ca> 
To: "Brian Green" <brian_green@sfu.ca> 
Cc: sfufa-members@sfu.ca, "sfufa forum" <academic-discussion@sfu.ca> 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 8:13:57 AM 
Subject: Re: [SFUFA] Closing the certification chapter 


Request for clarification: According to the messages we received yesterday, 590 out of 1091 eligible voters voted "yes" to certification. 


I am under the impression that the criterion for certification is a percentage *of the membership* who vote in favour, not of votes cast. 



The message below states: " SFUFA members have voted 73% in favour of legal recognition under the BC Labour Code." 


This clearly implies that 73% *of the membership* voted "yes"; which, clearly, is not correct. 


Yet the percentage who voted yes is the key determinant of certification, and, as such, merits clear acknowledgment. 


So, Neil and Brian, please clarify, and please put an official percentage number *of the eligible voters* on the "yes" votes. And not just to me; but to the sfufa-members list, please. It would be a shame, I think, if the new era began under conditions of less than open information. 


JD Fleming 
English 


----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Brian Green" <brian_green@sfu.ca> 
To: sfufa-members@sfu.ca 
Sent: Friday, 16 May, 2014 07:59:32 
Subject: [SFUFA] Closing the certification chapter 

Dear Members: 

The following message is sent on behalf of SFUFA President Neil Abramson. 

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Colleagues: 

As you will have seen, the results of the certification vote are now in, and SFUFA members have voted 73% in favour of legal recognition under the BC Labour Code. 800 members participated in the vote, with the result that a clear majority of ALL members, even counting those who did not participate, voted in favour of this step. 

SFUFA would like to thank all of you who participated in the process, and particularly recognize those volunteers across campuses, faculties and departments who answered questions and collected cards to bring the vote about. 

Certification provides a new legal framework to govern the work of the Association and its bargaining relationship with the University. More robust protections for the Association's rights exist now than has previously been the case, and we hope these will allow us to better serve and represent members. 

We will now begin to prepare for a new kind of collective bargaining - the negotiation of a first true collective agreement. We are proud of our positive and productive relationship with the University, and we look forward to working with representatives of the administration to make this transition as smooth as possible for all involved. 

The vote to certify was decisive. Members of the Association, however, do of course have a wide range of views on how SFUFA can best perform its work, what issues are of priority, and how those issues ought to be addressed. Whatever one's opinion on certification, SFUFA is your Association, and is committed to maintaining and strengthening the spirit of collegial debate we have so long enjoyed within the Association and across the university community. Indeed, the diversity of opinion is one of the great strengths of an organization such as this, and we encourage all members to continue to bring forward your thoughts, your questions and opinions, and to become active in the discussions and debates which guide SFUFA. 

Neil Abramson 
President, SFUFA 





-- 

J ames Dougal Fleming 
Associate Professor 
Department of English 
Simon Fraser University 
778-782-4713 


Burnaby -- British Columbia -- Canada. 



And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. Rev.22:3. 

-- 
SFU Faculty Association 
778-782-8181 
brian_green@sfu.ca 




-- 

J ames Dougal Fleming 
Associate Professor 
Department of English 
Simon Fraser University 
778-782-4713 


Burnaby -- British Columbia -- Canada. 



And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. Rev.22:3. 

-- 
SFU Faculty Association
778-782-8181
brian_green@sfu.ca




-- 
James Dougal Fleming
Associate Professor
Department of English
Simon Fraser University
778-782-4713

Burnaby -- British Columbia -- Canada.

And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. Rev.22:3.





--
James Dougal Fleming
Associate Professor
Department of English
Simon Fraser University
778-782-4713

Burnaby -- British Columbia -- Canada.

And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. Rev.22:3.