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Re: Faculty Pension Options - Follow-up with some information that came out of a public discussion on Monday Nov. 19th



Hi Julian
        - Your cautionary note about financial advisors is duly noted. We should be critical about all information we receive on the issue of how we save - whether from financial advisors, SFUFA or BCCPP. The only people to 'fully trust' as acting in our financial best interest are those acting in a fiduciary capacity. For all else, caveat emptor.

         - Lest colleagues be deterred from seeking independent financial advice from a qualified professional: not all financial advisors are out to sell you a product. Indeed, certfied CFPS are obligated to work in your best interests. And you can find those who charge a fee up-front to give you advice on  your current estate situation. Or you can sit with your tax accountant to look at these issues.

         - Someone with a training in actuarial modeling _and_ with information about an individual's particular situation can, in fact, help them arrive at answers to questions such as " Should  I be more concerned about the amount of capital available at retirement or the predictability of my income in retirement?" For instance,  by withdrawing a sensible amount from one's LIF annually, one can actually draw out one's savings for 30 years post-retirement (so, till age 95, say). Now whether the amount you withdraw is going to suffice for your needs, or how best to re-invest your retirement savings at the time of retirement - all of this you can and should discuss. 

          - RRSP inheritance is not the only mechanism which is open to those of us who wish to leave money to our kids. One could opt to invest in annuities which pay out to the beneficiaries over time; there are other mechanisms for reducing tax burdens. 

        There's really no getting away from the fact that DB plans afford us less flexibility in terms of how much and how we plan what we leave beneficiaries, if that is what you want. Conversely, there's no question that annuities through a DB plan are way cheaper than those purchased in the market, if that is what you want. 

         And a final word about fossil fuel free (FFF) funds: SFUFA members voted to direct the SFU DC plan to investigate FFF funds as options.  The trustees worked very, very hard over several years to investigate this possibility from a whole range of angles - legal, financial, governance-related.... indeed, ours was the _first_ university in Canada to even ask seriously in the market about the possibility of such a FFF fund in the pension plan. Nearly none suitable for pensions existed at the time.

 The decision to offer an FFF option was not at all taken lightly. The selection of the particular fund was not done lightly.  It is one option amongst many others. The process took years, and a lot of hours (unpaid, unrecognized, and yet in a fiduciary capacity) by trustees who are fellow-colleagues. At the time it was adopted, SFU was the _first_ university in Canada to offer an FFF option in a pension fund. (For anyone interested in the history of pension law, you'll see why this is noteworthy.)  You can invest in an FFF fund now in the DC plan, if you want. If you don't want to, you don't have to.

             None of this would happen with the BCCPP. We would have near-zero influence. There is no mechanism to offer options in that fund. If the BCCPP decided tomorrow to do X with its funds, all members would automatically have only X as their option. 

cheers
Nilima


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 6:20 PM Julian Christians <julian_christians@sfu.ca> wrote:
Hi George
Thanks for that, and I certainly think that seeking professional advice is a good idea. I would note, however, that a financial advisor who obtains a commission from financial products may not be completely objective. A switch to the DB plan will take business away from financial advisors.

Also, to balance your long list of questions to ask a financial advisor, I think it is crucial to remember that your financial advisor isn't going to be able to answer some key questions, e.g., "Should I be more concerned about the amount of capital available at retirement or the predictability of my income in retirement?" How much you value security and stability is not something that your financial advisor can answer.  Similarly "Do I expect to have longevity risk (risk of out living my savings)?" Your advisor will potentially be able to provide estimates of your income out to the age of 90 or 100, but if you are far from retirement, these estimates will make a lot of assumptions. Only you can judge how concerned you are about outliving your savings (and/or your spouse outliving your joint savings), and how you balance that concern against wanting to leave something to beneficiaries and/or wanting more flexibility.

I think a lot of the discussion on this list has been great, precisely because most of it has focused on issues of values and tolerance to different kinds of risk.

I would, however, add one question to your financial advisor: "How does the inheritance of RRSPs work?". My understanding is that you can "roll over" RRSPs in certain cases (e.g., your spouse), but that otherwise your RRSP is considered your income that year, and you pay income tax on it, e.g., if you have a million in RRSPs, it is as if your income was a million, and you get taxed accordingly (i.e., at a much higher rate than for a more typical faculty salary). So whatever inheritance you are hoping to leave (at least in terms of your retirement savings), it may be about half the amount that you think it is if it is passed to adult children.

Cheers
Julian

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From: George Agnes <george_agnes@sfu.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 5:33 PM
To: academic-discussion@sfu.ca
Subject: Faculty Pension Options - Follow-up with some information that came out of a public discussion on Monday Nov. 19th

All,

Some of the information that was discussed on Monday’s open forum is;

(a) professional financial planners queried, and people who understand person finances better than I, have been unanimous is advising all individuals to
"obtain professional advice prior to casting your vote".
 And to emphasize this point, I quote from one of our colleagues, sample questions to ask yourself and your financial planner are;
 “ -What is the overall ROI / value that I expect to get from each option (based on contributing the same amount of income)?
- Should  I be more concerned about the amount of capital available at retirement or the predictability of my income in retirement?
- Is this my only source of retirement income?  Do I have other means to 'smooth' my retirement income?
- Do I expect to have longevity risk (risk of out living my savings)?
- Either way, do I need / want some of my income to be guaranteed?
- Do I want to be locked into contributing at this level from a cash flow perspective, or would I prefer to plan to contribute voluntarily each year and have the flexibility to adjust my contributions based on my cash flow needs?
- Do I want to be able to pass on a legacy to someone other than my spouse? Do I need this vehicle to be able to do that?
- How do I feel about the governance of each option?
- Personally, I'm also asking which vehicle has the greater potential to align with my values around responsible investment. “

(b) Related to (a), if you are unable to be as informed as you think you should be prior to casting your vote, do not remain silent, write to the senior executive of SFUFA explaining your situation and ask for a delay in the date of closure of the vote.

(c) Everyone should familiarize themselves with the information contained on the BCCPP webpages regarding payout selections at retirement.
If you have a partner, you are automatically categorized into Joint-Life Option, and the ‘entitlement rate’ is shown below.   For your own situation,
Plug this into the formula, maximum annual benefit = (rate from table below) x (average best five years salary) x (number of years serviced);

[cid:4896F72E-A9EC-4087-AE64-4BAC482D8BCC@telus]
(Thanks to Dr. F. Lee for doing the background work and providing the above table.)
There is an analogous table in the SFUFA FAQs.

(d) Please vote.

On behalf of Dr. TIm Beischlag and I, and the participants in the Monday forum, we hope this information is helpful.

George Agnes


--
 Nilima Nigam
Professor
Dept. of Mathematics
Simon Fraser University