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Re: Grad Chair public letter on funding



Thanks, Nilima.


I have been wondering 2 things about finances going forward.


1) SFU Doctor Factory: In the US medical school hospitals make a "profit" and dump a lot of money into their constituent universities. Is SFU Med going to have its own hospital (to make money!!) or are is SFU simply providing additional training spots to feed the existing UBC-related hospitals. I guess this is going to happen but its seems like the previous person in charge promised a Law School . . . and before that was the NCAA fame and glory scheme. Speaking of which . . . 


2) What was the real financial impact of being in the NCAA? At the time of joining, we were all told this would bring in a tidal wave of revenue, not just in scholarships for students (whose lives have now been upended), but also in hard cash (I suppose from people paying to see games. . . ). Now that SFU had dumped that plan (which cost a lot of money in accreditation, etc.), where's the cash? Was SFU losing money?


I know that neither of these produces the money that Nilima has roughly estimated, but it seems to me that there are a lot of questions about how Leadership's pet projects' wheels hit the financial ground.


From: Nilima Nigam <nigam@math.sfu.ca>
Sent: April 15, 2023 11:55:10 AM
To: Igor Shinkar
Cc: Behraad Bahreyni; Enda Brophy; academic-discussion (academic-discussion@sfu.ca)
Subject: Re: Grad Chair public letter on funding
 
Dear all
          I'm not a grad chair, so feel free to ignore me!

I agree with Igor that (a) I support increasing funding for grad students and also (b)the issue of who pays for the increase? must be addressed.

As a rough estimate, we have about 5000 graduate students. According to the letter, the average income per grad student is $21,594. Let's assume each student pays $7600 in tuition per year (I think the true figure is different, depending on number of terms completed). The proposal as I understand it is to increase income to $32000 per student, plus a tuition waiver. 

Tuition revenue from grad students = 7600X 5000 = $38M CAD. Waiving tuition means finding 38M somewhere (university budgets or research grants.) 
 Increasing base stipend to 32,000 per student means finding (32,000-21,594)X5000 = $52M CAD. This figure does not include the tuition waiver.

In effect, the university/faculty will have to find an additional $38M+$52M = $90M per year.This can be done by increasing tuition revenue, shrinking the total number of employees, or cutting services. 

I was able to identify $35M in potential savings (equivalent to waiving tuition) by staring at the university budget, and imagining the shrinking of certain administrative units (== firing some people). I am unable to find 90M short of increasing tuition for undergraduates. So I'd be grateful if someone explained how this was going to work. One idea I've heard floated is to no longer have any research-based Masters programs, converting them instead to professional fee-based Masters programs (effectively shrinking the number of graduate research students/TAs). 

 https://www.sfu.ca/finance/publications.html

best
Nilima



On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Igor Shinkar <igor_shinkar@sfu.ca> wrote:

Dear Enda,


I also support increasing funding for the students, and I definitely agree with the goal at high level. Please add my name to the letter. 


I suppose you are aware of this information on the SFU website

https://www.sfu.ca/students/financialaid/costs/international-students.html#graduate

It also suggest approximately 32K/year.



Having said that, I do have some questions.

1) I don't understand the funding model you are suggesting. How exactly are you proposing can we guarantee 32,000CAD to each students? I thought it is mainly the responsibility of the supervisors to fund our students using our grants, as well as offering them TAship.

At the university level, I am only aware of the BASS funding that GPS provides to the departments to support the grad students. But I did not see it anywhere in the letter. Are you suggesting SFU should increase the BASS funding?



2) The letter suggests it is a public letter from all (or many?) Grad Chairs at SFU. But reading the names of the people who signed the letter, I see that many grad chairs are missing and some people on the letter are not grad chairs.

  • many schools not represented. For example, I don't see anyone from Faculty of Science or from Faculty of Applied Sciences. Is there a reason for that?
  • Faculty of Education has 14 peoples. Are they all GPC chairs?

I think we should be a bit more precise about it, especially if that's the title of the document.



Best regards,
Igor Shinkar

School of Computing Science

Chair of Graduate Program Committee

Very respected professor (if you believe these emails from prospective students)


https://www.cs.sfu.ca/~ishinkar/




From: Behraad Bahreyni <bba19@sfu.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2023 3:50:11 PM
To: Enda Brophy; academic-discussion (academic-discussion@sfu.ca)
Subject: RE: Grad Chair public letter on funding
 

Dear Enda,

 

I fully support higher funding per student. However, I am unsure if we should ask the university responsible for the entirety of the funding situation.

 

As far as I know, with all due respect to the colleagues who have signed the petition, graduate chairs should represent the departments they are from when using the title. A request at this level certainly would have required some discussion within the departments so that the signature of grad chairs would imply consensus in that department rather than personal opinions.

 

Another factor I hope the grad chairs already have considered is the distribution of funding sources per department. For instance, could we collect data from all grad chairs on how many grad students are in each department and how much of the average funding per grad student comes from RA, TA, Fellowships, or other sources? We can then see if requesting the university to fix the funding problem makes sense or maybe we should be looking at other fixes.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Enda Brophy <ebrophy@sfu.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2023 2:12 PM
To: academic-discussion (academic-discussion@sfu.ca) <academic-discussion@sfu.ca>
Subject: Grad Chair public letter on funding

 

Dear colleagues, yesterday Graduate Chairs at SFU released a public letter calling on the university for a rapid and meaningful increase in real funding levels for graduate students across the university. Some of you will remember that the letter was initially discussed on this mailing list, and my thanks go to colleagues who offered input, helped craft the letter, and signed on. The letter can be found here, and we are still adding signatures as they come in so please do get in touch if you are a graduate chair and would like to sign.

 

Have a wonderful weekend,

 

Enda

 

Enda Brophy
Associate Professor and Graduate Chair | School of Communication

Associate | Labour Studies
Simon Fraser University | HC 3559
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--
 Nilima Nigam
Professor
Dept. of Mathematics
Simon Fraser University